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	<title>Comments on: 폭탄영어 #11 &#8211; Korean Visa Regulations</title>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://www.bombenglish.com/2008/04/08/11-korean-visa-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-804</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 04:48:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, at least they are trying. :)

&quot;Starting February 11, 2008, the Korean Consulate in Vancouver will accept a Self-Introductory 
    CD to lessen the burden of face-to-face interviews for those who live outside B.C. Therefore, 
    non-B.C. residents such as those who live in AB, SK, Yukon, NWT can either have a face to 
    face interview at the Korean Consulate in Vancouver OR submit a Self-Introductory CD when 
    applying for an E-2 Visa. After reviewing the visa applicant&#039;s CD and application form, a Consul
    may contact the applicant for further questions if necessary. Please note that the Korean 
    Consulate in Vancouver will NOT return this CD to the visa applicant. This option is NOT for
    those who live outside Canada.&quot;

http://can-vancouver.mofat.go.kr/eng/am/can-vancouver/visiting/visacategories/index.jsp#e2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, at least they are trying. <img src='http://www.bombenglish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>&#8220;Starting February 11, 2008, the Korean Consulate in Vancouver will accept a Self-Introductory<br />
    CD to lessen the burden of face-to-face interviews for those who live outside B.C. Therefore,<br />
    non-B.C. residents such as those who live in AB, SK, Yukon, NWT can either have a face to<br />
    face interview at the Korean Consulate in Vancouver OR submit a Self-Introductory CD when<br />
    applying for an E-2 Visa. After reviewing the visa applicant&#8217;s CD and application form, a Consul<br />
    may contact the applicant for further questions if necessary. Please note that the Korean<br />
    Consulate in Vancouver will NOT return this CD to the visa applicant. This option is NOT for<br />
    those who live outside Canada.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://can-vancouver.mofat.go.kr/eng/am/can-vancouver/visiting/visacategories/index.jsp#e2" rel="nofollow">http://can-vancouver.mofat.go.kr/eng/am/can-vancouver/visiting/visacategories/index.jsp#e2</a></p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://www.bombenglish.com/2008/04/08/11-korean-visa-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-697</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:17:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t disagree with the need for a police check for an E2 visa as those on it are most likely to be working with kids, a requirement in place in the UK too (though like you say, the employer applies for it via a much easier route). What I do object to and what you don&#039;t mention is the need for it to legalised. This cost me £27 (about $55) just to get a piece of paper and a stamp affixed to it saying it was genuine, despite that the certificate itself was on special watermarked paper that would have been very very difficult to fake. I don&#039;t know if the certificates from the USA and Canada look similar to this but if they do then surely this extra process isn&#039;t necessary. On top of this I talked to someone else from the UK who went to teach in Korea recently who had gone to the extra step of getting a solicitor to sign the certificate (costing more money) as they were told they needed this by the Korean embassy! I never did this step and got in just fine this time around.

In the UK too the Korean embassy require photocopies of your criminal check certificate and degree AFTER the Korean  immigration have checked and processed them and given you your visa code. As I didn&#039;t know this I turned up at the embassy in London to be sent away and told I needed these pointless photocopies which would prove nothing! This seemed to imply that the embassy couldn&#039;t trust the immigration in Korea!

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After my ordeal I swore to write to the Korean immigration in Korea once I got back protesting at this. Only now I feel that if I did it would have 0% impact, largely because it would be written in English. 

Do you think that anyone has told Korean immigration directly about the ridiculousness of their visa regulations and the harm it is doing?

Would either of you consider writing a letter in Korean to them?

I am well considering writing one and getting it translated to send to lots of people who might actually take notice. The next task will be figuring out who these people are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t disagree with the need for a police check for an E2 visa as those on it are most likely to be working with kids, a requirement in place in the UK too (though like you say, the employer applies for it via a much easier route). What I do object to and what you don&#8217;t mention is the need for it to legalised. This cost me £27 (about $55) just to get a piece of paper and a stamp affixed to it saying it was genuine, despite that the certificate itself was on special watermarked paper that would have been very very difficult to fake. I don&#8217;t know if the certificates from the USA and Canada look similar to this but if they do then surely this extra process isn&#8217;t necessary. On top of this I talked to someone else from the UK who went to teach in Korea recently who had gone to the extra step of getting a solicitor to sign the certificate (costing more money) as they were told they needed this by the Korean embassy! I never did this step and got in just fine this time around.</p>
<p>In the UK too the Korean embassy require photocopies of your criminal check certificate and degree AFTER the Korean  immigration have checked and processed them and given you your visa code. As I didn&#8217;t know this I turned up at the embassy in London to be sent away and told I needed these pointless photocopies which would prove nothing! This seemed to imply that the embassy couldn&#8217;t trust the immigration in Korea!</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>After my ordeal I swore to write to the Korean immigration in Korea once I got back protesting at this. Only now I feel that if I did it would have 0% impact, largely because it would be written in English. </p>
<p>Do you think that anyone has told Korean immigration directly about the ridiculousness of their visa regulations and the harm it is doing?</p>
<p>Would either of you consider writing a letter in Korean to them?</p>
<p>I am well considering writing one and getting it translated to send to lots of people who might actually take notice. The next task will be figuring out who these people are.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://www.bombenglish.com/2008/04/08/11-korean-visa-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-528</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 07 Jun 2008 06:50:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter, 

What constitutes a genuine cultural experience in Korea? Going to a church for 10 hours where the congregation seems to think Jesus spoke English? Going to a red light district, getting drunk and naked and laid together with your coworkers on the company expense account? How about going to a jazz bar that openly discriminates against black people? Or having your female coworker called a &quot;whore&quot; for stopping and talking to you on the street? 

You state that it&#039;s a fact that white male teachers &quot;misbehave&quot; more than any other segment of the population, well could you site your sources? What statistics do you have to back that up? And what constitutes misbehavior? Prostitution is illegal in Korea, and yet 4% of the GDP is spent on prostitutes. Is that not misbehavior? 

As far as male privilege goes, I&#039;ve had several Korean women tell me they can&#039;t stand gyopo men. They say that  gyopo men are very arrogant about being bilingual and having dual-citizenship, and seem to think that Korean women should fall at their feet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter, </p>
<p>What constitutes a genuine cultural experience in Korea? Going to a church for 10 hours where the congregation seems to think Jesus spoke English? Going to a red light district, getting drunk and naked and laid together with your coworkers on the company expense account? How about going to a jazz bar that openly discriminates against black people? Or having your female coworker called a &#8220;whore&#8221; for stopping and talking to you on the street? </p>
<p>You state that it&#8217;s a fact that white male teachers &#8220;misbehave&#8221; more than any other segment of the population, well could you site your sources? What statistics do you have to back that up? And what constitutes misbehavior? Prostitution is illegal in Korea, and yet 4% of the GDP is spent on prostitutes. Is that not misbehavior? </p>
<p>As far as male privilege goes, I&#8217;ve had several Korean women tell me they can&#8217;t stand gyopo men. They say that  gyopo men are very arrogant about being bilingual and having dual-citizenship, and seem to think that Korean women should fall at their feet.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:40:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to clarify, I don&#039;t mind providing a copy of my shot record.  I&#039;m happy to prove that I&#039;m up to date on shots that prevent potentially fatal and *easily* communicable diseases (which HIV/AIDS is NOT!).  This is not a burdensome requirement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to clarify, I don&#8217;t mind providing a copy of my shot record.  I&#8217;m happy to prove that I&#8217;m up to date on shots that prevent potentially fatal and *easily* communicable diseases (which HIV/AIDS is NOT!).  This is not a burdensome requirement.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But I wonder -- was yours for immigration, or just for a work visa?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But I wonder &#8212; was yours for immigration, or just for a work visa?</p>
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		<title>By: jeanjean72</title>
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		<dc:creator>jeanjean72</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 00:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi!

i think most countries have similar requirements.  I had done medical exam for hiv, tb, and vaccination for mmr, td, etc.  i also had to swear not to have a baby within 3 months to have rubella shot which can cause deformation of baby.
for the criminal record, since i had lived in Philippines more than 6month, us immigration required police record from Phil. and Korea.

it&#039;s incombursome to go through the u.s. visa process, but for now there is no way around it. hopefully things will get better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi!</p>
<p>i think most countries have similar requirements.  I had done medical exam for hiv, tb, and vaccination for mmr, td, etc.  i also had to swear not to have a baby within 3 months to have rubella shot which can cause deformation of baby.<br />
for the criminal record, since i had lived in Philippines more than 6month, us immigration required police record from Phil. and Korea.</p>
<p>it&#8217;s incombursome to go through the u.s. visa process, but for now there is no way around it. hopefully things will get better.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilkyoung</title>
		<link>http://www.bombenglish.com/2008/04/08/11-korean-visa-regulations/comment-page-1/#comment-369</link>
		<dc:creator>Ilkyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 11:50:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I didn&#039;t mean to justify my own fault with somebody else&#039;s similar behaving. &quot;Hey, that guy is doing this, too. What&#039;s wrong with you?&quot;  :-(

Right is right and wrong is wrong, in general. 

Jennifer, as you mentioned, it is hard for Koreans to recognize what&#039;s wrong and what&#039;s getting worse with our system dealing with foreigners. So, I do believe it is valueable and thanksful advice of your guys as our friends. :-)  And, I believe you guys also understand my descriptions on the U.S. Immigration policies in that point of view. 

Yes, the situation would be a bit less inconvenient for Koreans visiting the U.S. in short term. However, it won&#039;t change the fundamental because a lot of Chinese or Malaysians still would be picked up arbiturary in the long waiting line of Immigration services at LAX or J.F.K. by the immigration detectives(?) and having hard times. Also, a lot of Vietnamies would be treated improperly by the Korean Immigration Officers.

Anyway, this is what I love this site. Deep conversation and a valiety of spectrum. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t mean to justify my own fault with somebody else&#8217;s similar behaving. &#8220;Hey, that guy is doing this, too. What&#8217;s wrong with you?&#8221;  <img src='http://www.bombenglish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Right is right and wrong is wrong, in general. </p>
<p>Jennifer, as you mentioned, it is hard for Koreans to recognize what&#8217;s wrong and what&#8217;s getting worse with our system dealing with foreigners. So, I do believe it is valueable and thanksful advice of your guys as our friends. <img src='http://www.bombenglish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />   And, I believe you guys also understand my descriptions on the U.S. Immigration policies in that point of view. </p>
<p>Yes, the situation would be a bit less inconvenient for Koreans visiting the U.S. in short term. However, it won&#8217;t change the fundamental because a lot of Chinese or Malaysians still would be picked up arbiturary in the long waiting line of Immigration services at LAX or J.F.K. by the immigration detectives(?) and having hard times. Also, a lot of Vietnamies would be treated improperly by the Korean Immigration Officers.</p>
<p>Anyway, this is what I love this site. Deep conversation and a valiety of spectrum. <img src='http://www.bombenglish.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 Apr 2008 01:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s almost universal that since we don&#039;t have to deal with our own home country&#039;s immigration service, we often don&#039;t know what people have to go through to visit or live there.  Only as an outsider do we get to experience the . . .joy, shall we call it? of customs and immigration.
Korea too likes to fingerprint, mandatory for anyone entering for a year or more.  
I wish for the sake of my friends and family here who go to the states that it were all easier for them when they visit America.  I&#039;m hoping the visa waver system will start and soon - one of the best ways of reducing the burden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s almost universal that since we don&#8217;t have to deal with our own home country&#8217;s immigration service, we often don&#8217;t know what people have to go through to visit or live there.  Only as an outsider do we get to experience the . . .joy, shall we call it? of customs and immigration.<br />
Korea too likes to fingerprint, mandatory for anyone entering for a year or more.<br />
I wish for the sake of my friends and family here who go to the states that it were all easier for them when they visit America.  I&#8217;m hoping the visa waver system will start and soon &#8211; one of the best ways of reducing the burden.</p>
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		<title>By: Ilkyoung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ilkyoung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Apr 2008 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve complained a lot on the U.S. visa and immigration system. It takes two to four weeks to process, costs a hundred US dollars, and I had to waste my time in the middle of long line to wait for my turn on the interview date. 
And I had to register fingerprints of my two thum and index fingers when I get into the U.S. territory. Now they changed the regulation to register all the ten fingerprints of my fingers. Fingerprint registration is usually done to criminals in most countries. 
I&#039;m not talking about the standard procedure for working visa applicants or holders but any Koreans and Third World countries (for fingerprints, all the foreigners except green card holders) visiting the U.S. 
If I try to get a working visa(usually, H visas in the U.S. visa system), it&#039;s a some-months-to-a-year and some-thousand-dollars cost project. (The majority of the budget is for legal services, as I know.)

I haven&#039;t paid attention to the Korean visa system simply because I am a Korean. It&#039;s first time to get to know the details thanks to this episode. Oops, it&#039;s getting closer to the American system. Does it mean that Korea is getting bigger and stronger enough?

Basically, I totally agree with Mike&#039;s and Jennifer&#039;s points of view and I appreciate pointing that out. That stupid visa system would be of disbenifit to this country and people eventually. 
Moreover, there are other groups of foreigners (and non-officially but historically presumed gyopos) from China, CIS, and South East Asian countries who could not even get the visas for completely ridiculous, regulation-breakning, ignorant, racistic reasons.
Shame on the bureaucracy, idiot government officials, and citizens supporting them.

Mike, 
I know you are writing on OhMyNews. I wonder if you have an idea to write an article on this issue. If you would, I&#039;m willing to help you do the job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve complained a lot on the U.S. visa and immigration system. It takes two to four weeks to process, costs a hundred US dollars, and I had to waste my time in the middle of long line to wait for my turn on the interview date.<br />
And I had to register fingerprints of my two thum and index fingers when I get into the U.S. territory. Now they changed the regulation to register all the ten fingerprints of my fingers. Fingerprint registration is usually done to criminals in most countries.<br />
I&#8217;m not talking about the standard procedure for working visa applicants or holders but any Koreans and Third World countries (for fingerprints, all the foreigners except green card holders) visiting the U.S.<br />
If I try to get a working visa(usually, H visas in the U.S. visa system), it&#8217;s a some-months-to-a-year and some-thousand-dollars cost project. (The majority of the budget is for legal services, as I know.)</p>
<p>I haven&#8217;t paid attention to the Korean visa system simply because I am a Korean. It&#8217;s first time to get to know the details thanks to this episode. Oops, it&#8217;s getting closer to the American system. Does it mean that Korea is getting bigger and stronger enough?</p>
<p>Basically, I totally agree with Mike&#8217;s and Jennifer&#8217;s points of view and I appreciate pointing that out. That stupid visa system would be of disbenifit to this country and people eventually.<br />
Moreover, there are other groups of foreigners (and non-officially but historically presumed gyopos) from China, CIS, and South East Asian countries who could not even get the visas for completely ridiculous, regulation-breakning, ignorant, racistic reasons.<br />
Shame on the bureaucracy, idiot government officials, and citizens supporting them.</p>
<p>Mike,<br />
I know you are writing on OhMyNews. I wonder if you have an idea to write an article on this issue. If you would, I&#8217;m willing to help you do the job.</p>
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 13:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do wholeheartedly agree with the police checks. In many western countries you have to have police clereances to secure employment,why should it be any different in sth korea. If that keeps out 50% of the undesirables,then good.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wholeheartedly agree with the police checks. In many western countries you have to have police clereances to secure employment,why should it be any different in sth korea. If that keeps out 50% of the undesirables,then good.</p>
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